Punished With a Baby?

Recently, Barack Obama was caught spilling his true feeling about the sanctity of human life when a reporter asked him about abortion. He replied that he would not want his daughter to be "punished with a baby" in the event of a crisit pregnancy. Here is a clip of a Townhall article reporting this unusual incident that took place recently:

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"And last week's mistake about his daughters and hypothetical pregnancy issues showed just how extreme the man is. The line was quick - a throwaway, actually - but Sen. Obama said that he would never want his own daughter, in the event of a 'crisis pregnancy', to be 'punished with a baby.' I guess 'crisis pregnancy' is one of those convenient Planned Parenthood-type terms that make people feel more comfortable about aborting a baby. Perhaps I'm just a little naive in believing that there's nothing crisis-like about bringing an innocent, beautiful baby into the world, even through an unplanned pregnancy. But 'punished with a baby?' Wow. Obama's characterization of the miracle of birth is enough to make even the looniest of radicals cringe. ..." Read more:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MikeGallagher/2008/04/04/a_radical_in_the_white_house&comments=true#1c4f3a34-b148-4125-bacf-ef5bb5cdfde1 [This link was sent to me by Hugo Schmidt]

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After reading the entire article, and some of the numerous comments it generated on the blog that followed, I could not resist the temptation to respond with some comments of my own. Here are some of them:

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Nic writes: Friday, April, 04, 2008 10:56 AM
Punished with a baby?
Obama considers himself to be a Christian, yet he publicly declared that in case of a crisis pregnancy, he would not want his own daughter to be punished with a baby.

If Obama is a Christian, my question is: Does he ever read the Christian's sacred book where it is clearly stated that children are a blessing from the Lord, yet he considers this to be a punishment?

If he is honest, he should renounce his Christianity, and admit that he is a disciple of Hitler, who was convinced that genocide was an acceptable moral alternative for humans.

I have a hard time understanding how so many Americans are mezmerized by his eloquence, when his inspiration comes not from above, and if not from above then it follows that it comes from below: from the pits of hell.

Are you surprized that the American Mighty Dollar has plunged overnight and losing value while other competing currencies are gaining ground? How can the Lord continue to protect our country when we have already exterminated fifty million unborn babies since our Supreme Court has blessed what the Lord has cursed?

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Nic writes: Friday, April, 04, 2008 10:58 AM
How can the Lord Continue to Bless Ameri
How can the good Lord continue to bless America when the U.S. Congress authorized President Bush to take a pre-emptive strike against a sovereign country which has resulted in the death of four thousand Americans and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis?

How can the good and just Lord continue to bless American when we have declared the Almighty a persona non grata in our schools, our governmental offices, and our laws?

I have been labelled as a single-issue voter. This is an exageration, of course. Nevertheless, it is true that I do have a set of priorities, and protecting human life is for me the most sacred duty of government, more sacred than the ecnonomy or any other political issue.

For Winston Churchill protecting the lives of the citizens of his country was more important than England's economy. For Abraham Lincoln, protecting the rights of the slaves was more sacred than the American economy. I believe that there are some issues that are more valuable, and more sacred than others.

This is my humble opinion. If you agree with me, then visit my web site: http://www.sdaforum.com!

Nic writes: Saturday, April, 05, 2008 1:22 AM
A Few Dividing cells?
Wendy: You implied that we are making a big fuss about a few "diving cells." [See April 4/5:42 PM posting]. The problem is that by the time a woman becomes aware that she is pregnant, the developing baby has already a heart pumping blood through its body.

This is complicated by the fact that most abortions are done when the baby has two legs, two feet, two arms, a face, two ears, and so on. This is why, after the abortion is over, the nurse has to put the baby back together to make sure a piece of its body does not remain inside the uterus.
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Nic writes: Saturday, April, 05, 2008 1:29 AM
A Day Old Embryo=to Murder?
Stevel: You wonder why pro-life people call the abortion of a "day-old embryo" equal to murder [See Stevel's April 4 9:56 PM Post].

Please, read my answer to Wendy above! [See my April 05 1:22 AM post]
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2be2boys writes: Saturday, April, 05, 2008 1:44 AM
Tell me...
how can you look me in the face and justify or defend one of the sickest acts human beings can inflict on ourselves-PBA? I am over 7 months pregnant. Trust me, this is a real baby. He has a name. We heard his heartbeat at 8 weeks-which is technically only 6 weeks after conception!!! Sorry I couldn't finish reading all these posts I was feeling ill.
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Nic writes: Saturday, April, 05, 2008 1:50 AM
We Are Friends With Japan Now Argument!
Stevel: You seem to justify Bush's Pre-emptive Strike Doctrine, which he used to invade Iraq, on the basis that we were at war with Japan, but now we are friends. [See Stevel's April 04 10:02 PM Posting]

Have you ever wondered where you and I would be today if when our Cold War with the soviet Union was getting real hot either country had opted to implement Bush's First Strike doctrine with atomic weapons?

We have serious enemies today, and they really believe that we are the epitome of a decadent society. They believe that they are fighting a holy war to protect their citizens from immorality, nudism, alcohol consumption, drug addiction, and sexual deviancy. They are proud of their women wearing the burka, while they detest our moral laxity in allowing our women to wear bikini's instead.

We hate their lack of human rights, and they detest our freedom. Would you defend their right to implement Bush's First-Strike Doctrine on our country bin Laden style?
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Nic writes: Saturday, April, 05, 2008 1:56 AM
Man Never Get Pregnant!
Jim: You argue that "men never get pregnant," thus implying that men have no right to condemn the practice of baby killing--I mean "pregnancy interruption."

I ask: Why would you deny men the right to correct the previous men's immoral actions? Who legalized the murder of the unborn? Weren't they all men? If men created a legal loophole for the genocide of fity million innocent human beings, shouldn't men be entitled to correct what went wrong on the initiative of men?
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Nic writes: Saturday, April, 05, 2008 2:08 AM
Should We Disregard Women's Health?
Dreadnaught: I agree with you that women's health is important, and that the unborn's baby's life is more so. [See April 04 10:47 Post]

Some pro-choice individuals have argued that the killing of an unborn baby when the pregnant woman is a minor, or when the mental health of the woman is being affected, the abortion is morally justified because we are then dealing with the so called "therapeutic abortion."

To such individuals I would ask: Would you accept such therapeutic treatment for yourself? Abortion always ends with a dead baby, and it is never a therapy for the innocent and defenseless human being!

If you would not accept such therapy for yourself, then do not justify its use on others! How about applying the Golden Rule here?
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Nic writes: Saturday, April, 05, 2008 2:14 AM
The Spontaneous Abortions Argument
SunThe1: You seem to justify the practice of abortion on the basis that nature quite often is responsible for spontaneous abortions. [See the April 04 8:29 posting]

My answer to you is: It is true that nature kills! It kills innocent human beings through tornadoes, tsunamis, and earthquakes. Does this mean that we are morally free to imitate nature? Many individuals have done so, and they often end in jail of the electric chair!
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photogbill writes: Saturday, April, 05, 2008 2:26 AM
SunThe1
Your post of 4/4/08 @ 8:51 PM was an excellent rebuttal to that BDS numb-skull that thought he/she was making a valid argument to justify the pathetic and shameful position Obama has taken on partial birth abortions ...and in deed all abortions in general.

To illustrate how blindly people are following and falling for this charlatan, Obama ....I won't mention the names or where they were but I have personally witnessed Pro-Obama posters and exhibits in two Catholic colleges/universities in the last few weeks. How can the Catholic church say they are against abortion and then allow their student bodies in universities around the country (I'm sure the two I speak of aren't the only ones) to promote or support the election of Obama, knowing his position on this serious moral issue.
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Nic writes: Saturday, April, 05, 2008 9:52 AM
The Liberal Crowd
Photogbill: I read your 4/4/08@2:26AM posting. If you are looking for the conservative crowd, don't look for it at the colleges and universities. Those institutions are usually the hotbeds of liberalism and irreligiosity. This is generally true about any religion. My doctoral dissertation did reveal that two thirds of the intelligentsia in my own denomination are liberal and in control of the liberal agenda. If you are curious, read my dissertation at http://www.sdaforum.com/page13.html
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SunThe1 writes: Saturday, April, 05, 2008 9:52 AM
Nic
I'm not the one you should be rebutting. If you re-read the post in question, I was rebutting someone else (and I was making the same point you do).

Nic writes: Sunday, April, 06, 2008 10:11 AM
Men's Right to Talk About Abortion!
Jim wrote on Saturday, April, 05, 2008 1:07 PM the following:

"Nic writes: Saturday, April, 05, 2008 1:56 AM
I ask: Why would you deny men the right to correct the previous men's immoral actions?
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Of course he can correct the actions of an idiot, he, the doctor can preform an abortion for the lady who asks for one."
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Unfortunately, he misunderstood what I meant by my comment. I was countering the argument that men had no right to talk about abortion, because they cannot experience what it means to be pregnant.

My answer was that men do have the right to correct the errors of other men. I was referring to the nine Justices who legalized abortion with a stroke of a pen, and thus invented a right that can never be found in the U.S. Constitution: Women's presumed right to either dismember or poison the body of their unborn children.

If nine unelected Justices of the Court--all men--were allowed to legalize such atrocity, why do some attempt to deny men the right to talk about abortion and thus attempt to undo the mistake of other men? If men did legalize the murder of this innocent group of human beings, men should have the right to correct what other men did wrong.

Nic writes:	Sunday, April, 06, 2008 4:43 PM
Have Pro-lifers Been Duped?
Not going to tell you wrote on Sunday, April, 06, 2008 12:26 PM ********* "Well meaning abortion opponents are duped into buying the entire republican package because of this one issue." ********* According to your judgment, I have been duped by Republicans. Let me tell why I think this is not the case. I voted for Bush, and he managed to appoint conservative judges to the Supreme Court. I condider this to be a plus. He implemented the "First-Strike Doctrine," got us into the Iraqi War, and almost bankrupted our economy. This is a minus on our balance sheet. The Iraqi war resulted in the death of four thousand Americans, and hundreds of thousand Iraqis. This is also a minus. Nevertheless, the War Against the Unborn,is responsible for the deaths of fifty million unborn Americans who would be now alive and contributing to the American economy. On balance, I am glad I voted for Bush instead of Al Gore. This means to me that being a single-issue voter is not as bad as it appears on the surface. Both Abraham Lincoln and Winston Churchill were single issue individuals. They felt that there were certain issues with values exceeding that of the economy or any other consideration.

 

Sasparilla writes:	Monday, April, 07, 2008 2:22 PM
re: to not going to tell you
For you to declare that the abortion issue to so unimportant, you certainly are exised about it. You say abortion providers don't like abortion. Then why do they keep doing it? Testimony of many formerly in the abortion "business" shows that the motivation is MONEY. It is a multi million dollar industry. Look at Planned Parenthoods financials and see for yourself. Many abortion clinics also sell the body parts. Another industry that few are aware of. It's disgusting. So don't try to persuade people that this is a non-issue. It's MAJOR and it's not going away as long as it continues. It is a symbol of the moral decay in America, when the only answer to irresponsible behavior is to destroy the "evidence", especially when that evidence is a developing baby. And the purveyors and promotors are responsible for much of it. Go to teenwire.com and see for yourself what is being fed to teens. Yuk! And Pres Bush is not a coward. He has taken many unpopular stands and defended this country and borne the spiteful hate and ridicule hurled at him, mostly for political reasons. He may have made some mistakes, but he would have been criticised for doing nothing then. Either way, for the dems, it's all Bushes fault, isn't it? No, the real cowards are those who won't even stand up and defend the defenceless and then belittle those who do.

Nic writes: Tuesday, April, 08, 2008 9:42 AM Abortion is Worse than Slavery! Not going to tell you wrote on Sunday, April, 06, 2008 7:24 PM: ********* "If you are trying to put abortion on the same level as abolition of slavery and preservation of the Union, I would suggest you reconsider since I think you are somewhat over-focused on this issue." ********* Thanks for giving me a chance to reconsider. I will correct myself: Abortion is morally much worse than slavery. I would rather be a slave than dead. A slave can always hope of freedom, but there is no hope for the one who is already dead! Many slaves were treated better than some marginal workers today. You also state: ********* "There is no 'War against the unborn". That is just oversimplified crazy talk. No one - not even abortion providers - likes abortion." ********* Crazy talk? Fifty million human beings dead and you label this as crazy talk? Nobody liked the Vietnam War, but it left 55 thousand American soldiers dead. What does liking have to do with this? You think I'm crazy, but I now wonder about your own mental sanity!Then you say: ********* ! Email It  |  Print It |  Flag as Offensive

Nic writes: Tuesday, April, 08, 2008 9:44 AM Is Abortion Still Legal? Not going to tell you wrote on Sunday, April, 06, 2008 7:24 PM: ********* "Is abortion still legal? Bush is too much of a coward to even stand by his misguided beliefs. The Supreme court will never outlaw it completely since there are too many reasonable situations - death of the mother etc, which justify it." ********* If God still rules in heaven, then abortion will one day be outlawed. When Wilberforce and Lincoln decided to outlaw slavery, most people believed that their goal would never be achieved. They were wrong! The death of the mother doesn't count here, because saving one life instead of losing two is still within the pro-life principle. You end with: ********* "How about thinking of (and praying for) the rest of the country that you helped screw over with your ill-advised vote?" ********* You must have voted for Al Gore. Well, you can vote for him again, if you so desire; unless you think that he can save the world by heating the Global Warming issue to the boiling point Ken writes: Tuesday, April, 08, 2008 9:48 AM "No one likes abortion"??? "No one - not even abortion providers - likes abortion." If anyone believes this statement, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell them. Why do you think abortionists consistently oppose even the most minor regulations on the practice? It's not about "freedom of choice" as far as they're concerned. It's about money - and lots of it.

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