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Hi Nic,
I came across your website today and found the issue of abortion very interesting. I have been a member of the SDA church for about 7 years but was attending since 1998,
I have observed that the church focus seems to be on looking good but not doing good. Now they are teaching evolution in the colleges and performing abortions. When I mentioned to a church member that abortions are being performed the person did not believe it. I think members tend to live in denial.
I think the SDA church has lost its spiritual "eyesight" the love for money has taken over the church. When you look at the Lesson study you see books being advertised, where once inspirational stories were given of people who have experience trying circumstances in their lives.
The sad part is that the church claims to be the remnant church that keep his commandments but they obey what commands they want. I believe the SDA church has lost its way and the leaders will have to give account to God for their lawlessness. I have begun to keep my distance from this apostasy. May God help the church before it is too late.
I am glad that you have been outspoken and continue to be a shining light.
Anita
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Anita,
I do share your concern. When I first realized what was taking place in the Adventist Church, I was tempted to follow in the steps of other members of our community of faith who have left the church for other denominations, including the Church of Rome. For three months I attended the Riverside Seventh-day Baptist Church but discovered that their position on abortion was not significantly different fro m ours. I met there an energetic former Adventist who has a pro-life ministry. He told me that he had left our church because of Adventist apathy towards the genocide of the unborn. He also related to me the advice he had received from Elder Richards, Sr. before leaving who told him: “If you leave, your chances of influencing the SDA Church will disappear. You can’t clean a church from outside.” This advice convinced me to stay within Adventism and to do something about this problem. This is how www.sdaforum.com was born. This departure from the example set by our Adventist pioneers regarding the respect for human life and the story of creation is rather an American phenomenon. Of course, it will eventually spread to other parts of the world unless something is done to stop it.
"Dear Nic,
You have done so much research on the abortion question. I wonder if you have thoughts on the following questions you have time to share?”
A. “Sister White teaches that children of unsaved parents who die before the age of accountability “are as if they had never been”. How would this affect the morality of abortion if even some live-born children have no existence in God’s mind as a person (soul)?”
The answer is “No.” I did try to locate Ellen White’s “as if they had never been” quotation without success. Can you give me the reference? Nevertheless, I do remember having read a statement like that applied to slaves who had never been given the privilege of choosing between right and wrong. Now my question for you: If “even some live-born children have no existence in God’s mind,” as you state, and if slaves who never knew what moral freedom is have no existence in God's mind, does it follow that it is morally permissible to either poison or dismember them?
B. “Since Genesis states that Adam did not become a “Living Person” until after God breathed the breath of life into his inert body, is a 16 week fetus who cannot sustain life by breathing a living person (soul)?”
I have some questions for you: 1. Did Adam's life start at conception as is ours? 2. Would had it been morally proper to abort Adam had his life started like ours as a conceptus? 3. Is a 16-week unborn baby a human being? 4. Is there evidence that said unborn baby is alive? 5. Is it moral to poison or dismember a live human being who is temporarily unable to breathe on his/her own? 6. What is our moral duty: to destroy human life or rather to protect and nourish it? 7. Would you shoot at a target if you were not sure whether the thing behind a bush is an animal or a human being? 8. Would you have provided abortion services to Mary, the mother of Jesus, if she had requested one? She was single and poor at a time when being pregnant before marriage required the death penalty.
C. “Since Adventists do not accept the Catholic doctrine of soul implantation at conception, when does a fertilized ovum become a person who can be murdered? Our theology seems to be that unless there is a cognitively functioning brain, there is no real person (soul) eligible for redemption and/or resurrection.”
When Jesus was among us, one of the moral questions of the day was: Who is my neighbor? How can I exclude some human beings from God's love and care? Today it is: When does a human being become a person? How can I exclude some of the unborn from God's protection? If you answer Jesus’ question right, you will have the right answer for today’s’ moral question! The brain of some senile individuals stops functioning before they are physically dead and they are unable to make moral decisions. Does this mean that we are morally free to kill them with impunity?
“I am not aware of any detailed published discussion of these particular issues and thought you might have some ideas and references. Thank you.”
” May the good lord bless you in your desire to serve him! If you are interested in the bibliography I used for my doctoral dissertation, the Internet link is: http://sdaforum.com/page117.html
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My opinion is that our (human) moral arguments, pro or con of an issue, are directly proportional to the extent of our self-righteousness. if an infinite God, who will, at some future point, speak billions of billions of formerly existent humans simply by speaking, is still working on solving the problem of evil, we certainly need to be circumspect in our views.
the world overflows with violence and death. we justify killing animals because we need to eat. we justify war because if don't kill the bad guys they will kill us. we justify torturing and killing animals for medical research. God justified extermination in the old testament times. He became angry at saul for not exterminating the amalekites and then gave samuel the right to do so. you know the story.
a world of evil does not yield easy solutions and answers. pro-choice 'gives' women the right to choose. pro-life calls it murder. and indeed, in the cursory reading, i have done of your 'fly-by-night' dissertation and your blog responses, you seem to almost entirely miss the immense complexity of the nature of abortion. God didn't ordain castration for david nor did He punish bathsheba to a childless life. Instead, He 'killed' the first child shortly after birth, (seems far worse than a first term and even worse that a third term) then along comes soloman, a gift from God.
if someone comes into your bedroom at night with the intent to kill you, you have a choice to say go ahead and kill me or keep a gun under your pillow to defend yourself. no woman terminates an pregnancy without agonizing choice but to take away her ability to choose and/or call her a murderer, and the ply her with guilt goes beyond the pale.
as i said in the beginning, our moral arguments, our convoluted logic, and our condemnations are directly proportional to the extent of our own self-righteousness.
george manzuk
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George,
Thanks for your comments. I do agree that understanding evil is rather complex, and I am glad that you agree with me that abortion is evil. This is precisely why we need to strive to avoid it. The Bible states that if someone knows how to do good but chooses not to do it, it is sin to him. Most people do know that there is a better option for the woman faced with an unwanted pregnancy: adoption. Nine months of pregnancy is rather inconvenient and painful for someone who doesn't want the baby, but it pales when compared with the total and permanent deprivation of the baby's life. The Bible clearly invites us to "Choose life." The woman who chooses death instead, makes the wrong choice. And notice that she is not choosing death for herself, but rather for her baby. Adventist describe this as "therapeutic abortion." Since when killing is a form of therapy? Would the defenders of abortion choose that kind of treatment for themselves? We certainly do have the right to choose, but when we choose evil, there are serious consequences. Look at what happened when Eve made the wrong choice.
I have a few questions for you. You describe my doctoral dissertation as a "'fly-by-night'. Can you tell me on what basis you have opted to denigrate the ten years of hard work it took me to complete my doctoral program. How can I trust in your fairness, when you are ready to twist the facts of the case based on your ignorance of the time and effort I invested into this project. I spent an entire decade sacrificing for the sake of my calling, yet you show your disdain for what I did. I had to mortgage my future for the cause I believe in, and I may never be able to retire, and I did so without any expectation of ever recovering my investment. You might be a philanthropist--I have no idea--but can you match what I have done for the those who cannot defend themselves from a sure death?
You use arguments from the Old Testament in order to justify the violation of the Sixth Commandment. You are assuming that God killed the illegitimate baby born as a result of David's sin. Are you sure that God killed the baby? But if it is true that God did the killing, does this mean that I can start killing babies with impunity? God did order the killing of the Amalekites, does this imply that we have the right to engage in genocide? You also use our right for self defense as an argument to justify the poisoning or dismemberment of the unborn. Can your logic stand careful scrutiny? Are unborn babies threatening the life of pregnant women? Are you equating pregnancy with a death decree? Do most women die as a result of their pregnancies?
Our Adventist pioneers did condemn the practice of abortion and labelled it as murder. Are you suggesting that they did so because they were self righteous? The Christian Church did condemn the killing of unborn babies. Were they self-righteous as well? Even pagans did condemn abortion and gave Christianity the Hippocratic Oath which did protect millions of innocent babies from death for two thousand years. Are you saying that they did this because they were self-righteous? Are you proud of the fact that the owner of one of the largest chain of abortion clinics in California is an Adventist? Does this recommend our church as the "Remnant" and the one "keeping God's Commandments'? I don't know who you are, but in the event you live in Loma Linda, I would like to have the pleasure of meeting you some time.
May the good Lord bless you and me in our desire to serve him.
Nic Samojluk
Dear doctor:
I am worried about the continuation of our personal freedoms and freedom of conscience in this country. I am strongly opposed to abortion. I believe it is in violation of the sixth commandment in God's law.
The proposed government run healthcare forces me to pay for free abortions of others with my taxes. That makes me an accomplice.
If I am a medical professional, this proposal forces me to learn, perform, and assist with something I don't believe in, and is morally abhorrent to me.
If all this isn't bad enough, I will be forced to pay for a huge bailout of the abortion industry with my taxes
If I refuse to pay taxes in protest I will be thrown in jail..
Also, Catholic hospitals may have to close their doors if they won't compromise their beliefs for this abortion mandate.
If this legislation is passed, freedom of conscience may be a thing of the past.
Juanita
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Juanita,
You said this so well, I believe that there is a need to have this posted elswehere with the hope that people will start praying and calling on our representatives in order to impede the implementation of this plan. Adventists should be in the forefront in this business; unfortunately most Adventists are asleep at their posts. What a tragedy.
Nic Samojluk
I am reading it also. i turned my pastor onto it. he didnt believe abortions were being done in our hospitals. i hav been very disturbed about our churches stance on abortion so one day i googled "why aren't sda's pro-life and a link came up that had a blog from u and i clicked on your dissertation. thank u 4 writing it. very informative. so our pastor is checking things out about the abortion issue. they don't believe in abortion "except". that drives me crazy. i don't believe there r any excepts. i had 2 abortions in my 20's. i believe the Lord is using my experiences 2 better inform people about the ignorance of "choice" in this matter. how can our church b the "remnant church" when we don't uphold the 6th. my heart is heavy being a member of a church that says abortion is ok. how do u deal w/it?
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Michaele Janacaro
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Since I invested thousands of hours into this self appointed ministry at great expense and without any hope of ever recouping my investment, it gives me great satisfaction to know that some Adventists do appreciate the fruits of my labor. May the good Lord bless your efforts to serve him!
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Nic Samojluk
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Nic, I was at a SDA discussion forum hosted by pastor Richard OFfill. Pastor OFfill posted a topic called: Should Adventist Christians Have More to Say About Abortion?
I made a couple of comments and then thought of you and your Doctoral Dissertation. I really like it by the way. So much so that I posted a link to it on pastor OFfill's website. I hope you don't mind. I think people really need to see that information. Anyway it will be interesting to see if it stays there. I have given you the link if you want to look at the topic there.
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Richard Holbrook
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Thanks for advertising my doctoral dissertation dealing with the Adventist attitude towards abortion and for the link to this Adventist web site. I wish the Adventist Church would go back to the pro-life position of the early Adventist pioneers. We need to encourage our leaders to take a firm stand against the merciless killing of the innocents.
Nic,
Some years ago, you told me in one of your electronic communications that I had been instrumental in leading you to a true pro-life position. I am curious to learn what it was that I said that enticed you to join the pro-life club. Sometimes even I sit back and wonder as to why I became convinced really on my very own when I learned that Roe v Wade had granted women the legal right to execute their own children for the sake of convenience that this was wrong.
I do remember that I started in the Northern California Conference office discussing with fellow officers this abortion issue during the 80's, maybe even before the Church adopted its official abortion position. As far as I remember, I believe that every one of those in that office was actually pro-abortion. As time went on, my conviction grew stronger that faithful 7th Day Sabbath keepers will in the end stand outside and looking in, seeing their very own unborn inside saved for eternity.
I wouldn’t’ be surprised if in the Day of Judgment the Pope of Rome will be rewarded for his faithfulness regarding this issue at a time when almost the entire world was favoring the killing of the unborn. I can’t understand how God’s Remnant can be so wrong on this moral issue. I do not see how the fact that we worship God on the correct day of the week can compensate for our willingness to compromise on the violation of the Sixth Commandment of the Decalogue. This reminds me what the Jews did two thousand years ago: They crucified the most innocent being in the universe, and hurried to keep the Sabbath.
I will continue to pray for God’s blessing on your sacred mission for those who can’t speak for themselves.
Hugo Schmidt
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Hugo,
I do remember that I did say that, and for good reason. Back in the mid 80’s I thought that I was on the pro-life side of this life and death issue until the day when you began to challenge me with your probing questions. At first I thought that you were wrong and that I had the balanced view of abortion; nevertheless, eventually I became convinced that I couldn’t be truly pro-life if I allowed for the killing of the innocents under certain circumstances.
I realized that placing our temporary convenience ahead of the right to life of the unborn negates the essence of the Gospel. Jesus gave up all the comforts of life in heaven to grant us life. How can we take the life of others for the sake of our own convenience? This means that if any lives are saved thanks to what I am doing, I will be more than happy to share the credit with you. Of course, all the credit is owed in fact to the blessing that comes from above.
Nic Samojluk
[Bruce,]
Do you have any Bible studies that deal with the question of abortion? Knowing your past public history of defending the unborn there is an active Seventh-day Adventist pro-lifer who would desire your input.
[Doug Yowell]
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Dear Doug,
Off the top of my head I cannot recall any - although I often make the point in my lessons (and sometimes in sermons). Unlike others, I do not have a specific "anti-abortion" text, because the Bible does not directly address the subject (unlike homosexuality).
Instead, I believe that abortion violates the very essence of the teachings of Jesus. Jesus told us to love God and our fellow man. He taught us that the greatest love is to lay down our life for another (as He did for us). If the greatest love is to lay down our life for another, then the greatest "anti-love" is to take the life of another for our own personal benefit.
That is abortion: taking the life (or depriving another of life) for our benefit. It is the polar opposite of the gospel. It diametrically opposed to what Jesus modeled for us. It is the greatest evil (in terms of God's goal for us) that we can do. It is David depriving Uriah of his life so that David's life would be better. In my view, no serious Christian can favor abortion after carefully considering the subject.
Blessings,
Bruce [Cameron]
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Doug,
Thanks for this submission to this forum. I fully agree with Bruce that abortion is the exact opposite of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus said: “I have come that you may have life,” while the gift of the abortion industry is death. Besides, the Bible is not entirely silent on the abortion issue. Many versions of the Bible render the passage found in Exodus 21: 21-24 as follows:
"If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.”
As we can see, the Old Testaments seems to have imposed the death penalty for causing the death of an unborn baby.
Just love the SDA Forum website! I find it; topical - entertaining - enlightening, spiritually discerning and provocative!
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Bless you oh brave one!
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Ray - Loma Linda
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"Dear Dr.. Nic:
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As always, your response to the article written by Kevin Paulson shows a great deal of depth of understanding of the truth. Pastor Paulson misses the point on most of his arguments and that is that abortion kills children. "Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you.."Jer.1:5 So, who creates life? Thanks for standing up for the anti-abortion folks who risk their lives to save babies. The SDA would benefit from a search of Scripture and from abandoning this pride that they "own the truth." I propose that Kevin Paulson has abortion in his background."
Diane Rotering
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Thanks for your comments!
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"Concerning Abortion, I got into about a forth of Paulsen's article and I canceled the rest. I am ashamed to consider this man's opinion's on this issue to be that of true Seventh-Day Adventist's. He is so deceived on this issue. Such a shame, but not surprised in this day and age that we live in."
Marie Glass
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I understand what you mean. I felt the same way, and this is why I did take the trouble of reading the entire article and posted my reponse at the bottom. Did you read my short answer to his arguments? In case you didn't, here is the Internet link to that page. You will need to scroll down to read my comments:
Seventh-day Adventists and the Abortion Question
http://sdaforum.ipower.com//page247.html
Nic Samojluk
"Thank you for the encouragement in your e-mail. I would like to do some good in the world for the glory of God before the end comes. And I too get satisfaction from responding to the blogs.
I am reading your dissertation, but due to the lack of time and fairly slow reading, it is taking a while. I like what I've read so far. It seems very well thought out, and very well researched."
Richard Hollbrook
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I am sure the Lord has a plan for your life.
Nic Samojluk
I just turned 50, but I don't have the eloquence of speech, or the gift of being able to write long articles such as yourself. Nor do I have a Ph.D.
Richard Holbrook
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You state that you are 50 and that you do not have a Ph.D. I was 65 when I decided to get my Ph.D. It took me ten years of part time online study to complete the program. This means that I started writing at least five years before getting a doctoral degree. It also means that you have 15 years to decide whether you want to work on a doctoral program. As far as talent is concerned, if you are able to write those comments on these blogs, this means that you do not lack what it takes to become a writer. It all depends on what your goal is. Sometimes I get more satisfaction from responding to a blog than from writing a doctoral dissertation.
Nic Samojluk
Happy Sabbath my friend. I agree that it is getting harder and harder to find the good when looking within the church. And even though we knew this was coming, it still is a sad and difficult thing to watch. For me, it helps if I can find someone to try and share my faith with. You on the other hand are sharing your faith everyday through your website. You probably don't even realize the difference you make, or the number of people you help through your words. You have helped me.
Richard Holbrook
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Thank you for the nice things you said about my www.sdaforum.com web site. I am delighted to learn that it is making a difference in somebody's life. A comment like yours is what keeps me going. I have invested thousands of hours in this self-appointed mission of mine at the expense of my own finances and retirement. Actually, I may never be able to retire as a result of my commitment to my mission. This is why your gratitude means so much to me.
I imagine you as a relatively young individual. I started my web site when I was nearly 70 years old. This means that you can probably duplicate what I have been doing and achieve a much greater success. I started with the idea of storing in cyberspace some of the gems of thought coming across my desk, and the thing grew beyond my initial dreams. My fear is that all this will be lost the day I am gone; but if some of this remains in the minds of those who have been touched by the content of my web page, this is all I can dream of.
Nic Samojluk
Nic,
I saw this website when you gave it to someone at EducateTruth. So I decided to check it out. The first thing I did was click on editorials, and came upon the article about the news story. “Is Sharing a News Story a Cardinal Sin?” I had not heard the story and don’t know when it happened. Maybe because I live on the east coast, or maybe because I have only recently regained interest in spiritual things, and returned to the faith I was raised in. {SDA} I was reading some of the negative remarks from people who thought they what you should have done, and I saw the name Erv. Immediately I thought to myself, could this possibly be the same Erv from the Educate Truth website? Who posted the article about how people were just bashing LSU, and for no good reason? Well I kept reading and I saw in your response that it was, when you named that magazine he works for. I can’t say that I was really surprised when he disagreed totally with your view on abortion. I guess Erv likes abortion. Go figure. Not only is it ok to teach error in our schools, but it’s ok to murder the unborn.
I saw others who were very unfair to you. You must have thick skin. I agree with the way you handled the story, and I agree with you wholeheartedly about your stance on abortion. Is it true that the church is not growing in America? I like your website from what I’ve seen so far, and I’m looking forward to reading some Christian News. God be with you……..Richard Holbrook
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Richard,
Thanks for your comments. Letters like yours is what keeps me going. The opposition I have encountered from members of my own church don't bother me as long as I can count on individuals like you who are willing to offer moral support for what I have been doing. Regarding your question, some months ago, Randy Roberts, the Loma Linda University Church senior pastor, stated in his sermon that the Adventist Church is not growing in North America. How can our SDA Church in the U.S. grow if we are killing our own children before they are born and justifying the work of abortionists? Some years ago there was a report published in our official "Ministry" magazine that five of our medical institutions were offering elective abortion services to their patients. Besides, one of our church members owns 17 abortion clinics in California. Of course, he is very rich, and he probably makes sizable monetary contributions to Adventist institutions.
Hi! I thought you might be interested in this article that Kevin Paulson wrote....he is a Pastor employed by the NY Conference. It is an abomination. He supposedly is a strong Conservative, right along with Dennis Priebe....
I really appreciate your website!
Sincerely,
Tammy Roesch
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I do know other conservative Adventists who have developed a blind spot regarding the killing of unborn developing babies. The Bible states that the devil will, if possible, deceive even the elect. He succeeded in deceiving those who crucified the Son of God.
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Nic
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Hello Nic,
I really enjoy getting to read your thoughts on the forums. I am very happy to support pro-life, and in particular, fight the pro-choice lie, as much as I can.
Christopher Plewright
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I have been reading your pro-life comments on the Spectrum Blog dealing with President's Obana visit to the Catholic University, and I am impressed with your knowledge and your dedication to the defense of the rights to life of the most vulnerable members of the human race. The Lord has granted you unique talents and a great measure of wisdom which you have chosen to use for God's glory. I see in you a great potential for leadrship in the pro-life movement within the Adventist community.
Nic
Dear Nic,
I just recently discovered your forum and I've been reading it ever since. I've learned a lot, some things I didn't know. I want to thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to do the forum. It is high time we got back to our early pro-life Adventist roots.
I's always been pro-life, but kept these things in my heart. Now I know things that make me want to do something about it. I haven't figured out what. The Lord has laid this on your heart, and you have responded and have taken action. I thank you for the that work you have done and hope that you continue.
A reader,
Juanita
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The Lord has great things in store for you. Look to him for guidance in your desire to serve him!
Nic
Dear Nic - Thank you for your faithful witness to God's love for the least of these! Would you please send me the James Standish piece lamenting America's 50k abortions? Also I have rediscovered my paper "The Wisdom of Solomon". May God bless you and your faithful witness to Him.
George
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Hi!
Here is the link to James Standish article:
http://www.religiousliberty.info/blog/?p=58
When you have nothing else to do, visit my rebuilt http://www.sdaforum.com web site. My web service provider moved my site to a new platform, and I lost a good portion of my web data, but thanks the Lord, I was able to rebuilt the major portion of it. It consumed hundreds of hours of my spare time. I think that the enemy was trying to destroy what I had built over the years, but it failed.
I admire your stand for what is right, regardless of popular opinion.
Nic Samojluk
Thank you for the news, but especially thank you for standing up for the truth.
Ariel [Roth]
Hello Nic,
I'm enjoying access to your well presented SDA Forum, so I would appreciate having my address changed as I don't want to miss any mailings. Since moving to the Denver, Colorado area to live closer to Milton and his family, my main e-mail address is now ...
Congratulations on the completion of an important topic thesis for your PhD and for sharing its information!
Regards,
Ethel Hammerly
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Hi:
Thanks for your comments. My Ph.D. dissertation was approved thanks to the good advice I received from Hector who read my initial proposal and took the time to give me some timely suggestions.
I did update your mailing address.
God bless!
Nic Samojluk
"Linda mensagem.
Obrigada.
Dal."
[Alejandro Bullon]
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"Beautiful message.
Thankyou.
Dal.
[Alejandro Bullon]
The "Readers Corner" used to be a rather popular feature of the original "SDA Forum" site until March 19, 2004, when it was discontinued with the introduction of the Bulletin Board, which made it rather reduntant to have two ways of allowing the forum readers access to the site. Things went well for some time, but then the abuse by spammers, and the purveyors of drugs, porn, and sex did force management to discontinue the direct access to the "SDA Forum Bulletin Board" and, bingo, the need to resurrect the "Readers Corner" became quite apparent.
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I would encourage you to let me know how we are doing at the SDA Forum. I do not expect you to say nice things about what the Forum stands for. A little bit of constructive criticism should not be detrimental. Please, let me know your opinion and how we can do better! The one requirement is that opinions be expressed with the proper decorum.
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Hello Brother Samojluk,
Today I saw your website for the first time, and was pleasantly surprised to see many good articles regarding the need to protect the unborn life, and a couple of articles that seem to show the true sideof the Islamic problem.
But do your comments about the inerrancy of the Bible tend to uplift the Bible, or put it down? I wonder if you have ever read these verses in the Bible, or statements by Ellen White?
It is written, man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word proceeding out of the mouth of God.
and:
The scribes of God wrote as they were dictated by the Holy Spirit, having no control of the work themselves.
May God guide us into all truth,
Daniel Winters
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Editorial note: The comments listed above generated an exchange of E-mails dealing with the nature of inspiration which is still going on between Daniel Winters and this forum managememnt. To access this material, click on the following Internet link:
Nic Samojluk, Editor
Apreciado Nicolas:
Siempre leemos con interes lo que nos envias.Hoy en forma especial quiero felicitarte por haber alcanzado este nivel academico. Te deseamos las mas ricas bendiciones del Señor.
Un abrazo,
Gunnar [Wensell]
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Dear Nicolas:
We always read with interest what you are sending. Today I want to congratulate you in a special way for having reached this academic goal. We wish you God's richest blessings.
Greeting,
Gunnar [Wensell]
Muchas gracias por estas notables noticias.
Saludos,
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Thank you for these important news.
Greetings,
Oscar Nelson Wasiuk
Mision Argentina del Sur
www.misionsur.org.ar
Dear Nic:
I am interested in EGW statement regarding medical evangelism. I am interested mainly because, considering the real priority contained in her Otsego message, it is difficult to find the focus on health which Loma Linda has implemented out of her 1863 suggestions.
Greetings
Ron [Noltze]
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This E-mail from Dr. Ronald Notze, who has occupied high SDA positions of responsibility in the medical field in South America, Europe, and Africa, generated several electronic communications criscrossing the Atlantic Ocean. He did make several significant statements regarding the attitude of abortion and the policies in effect at Adventist medical institutions in the areas he did serve the church for many decades. According to him, our Seventh-day medical institutions in Europe, Africa, and South American which were under his supervision had--and still have--a policy of no abortion services by our physicians. To read this exchange of E-mails, click on the following Internet link:
Nic Samojluk
Hello Dr. Samojluk,
Thank you for sharing. As a Baptist, I learned a lot from your power point. Thanks.
MW [Musau Wakabongo]
Querido amigo Nicolás,
Te felicitamos por tu tesis doctoral. Lamentamos mucho que no podremos ir el sábado a la presentación de la segunda parte. Tú estás llenando un vacío importante en esta área. Un abrazo,
Tulio y Lilia
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My dear friend Nicolas,
Our congratulation for your doctoral thesis. We are sorry we won't be able to listen to the second part of your presentation this coming Saturday. You are filling an important vacuum on this issue. A hug from,
Tulio and Lilia [Peverini]
Dear Nic,
I read your announcement and I have started perusing through your dissertation. First, congratulations on this marvelous achievement in your life. I have called ... and next sabbath is on my calendar. I want to come and hear your summary.
Best regards,
John Buchholz
Nic:
Yes, Darwinism having overrun America from coast to coast and from the Mexican border to the Canadian border, with the ungodly, unconstitutional public schools and adding insult to injury is the case, has never been addressed by you my friend, while I have several times strongly suggested it?
Today, Darwinism is a given as to curriculum in public schools, while God, the Bible and prayer evermore millions are wasted to see if God can even be sort of treated as "good" as a stray dog in this satanic educational system.
Yes, and, because, it quickly spread in America by this evil educational system it also became the tool indirectly to infect the whole world with it. Yes, this out and from America, the now nation under God!
Yes, all you say against this and other theories, is right on the mark and biblical. In close analysis public education is anti-biblical, period. Yes, USA public education is one of the greatest destroyer of Christianity in the whole Western World, with Christians total asleep while Satan does his thing in true silent manner.
Hugo [Schmidt]
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Thanks for your comments! You are combining two separate topics: Darwinism, and public education, and conclude that both are wrong. I fully agree that Darwinism is wrong because it presents itself as science, when in fact it is not. Its basic premises are: Natural selection, the survival of the fittest, and naturalism, which ignores the existence of the Creator. Darwinism to me has all the characteristics of philosophic speculation instead of scientific facts. If you click on www.sdaforum.com/page9.html and look at all the entries accompanied by the picture of Darwin, you will realize that I have not ignored said topic.
I cannot say the same about public education. The reason is very simple. Your argument is that it is unconstitutional for the Federal government to pay for the cost of running the public school system. I am not persuaded that your assumption is correct. How can I join you in your crusade against public education if I see no basis to declare that public education is unconsitutional? I would rather fight for public education to get rid of the teaching of a false science or fraudulent science, which Darwinism is, instead of abolishing public education. Doing away with public education would fill the country with illiterates, and I don't this is good for the U.S.!
Nic Samojluk
"Hello Dr. Samojluk, Congratulations on completing your Doctorate degree! This is fantastic. Take care."
Musau [Wakabongo]
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Comments like this one keeps me going. In the last decade of the forum existence, I must have devoted at least ten thousand hours for the forum, ad honorem, of course, since this is a non-profit on-going project; and it energizes me to learn that this effort of mine is appreciated by some individuals.
Nic Samojluk
"Hi Everyone,
I personally thank you for the energy and effort to put together the forum. It is a noble act geared to exercise our freedom of speech and the opportunity you provide to users to express their opinions in matters of common concern.
Many people have an oustanding wisdom, which has been manifested in public by using the forum as a platform to provide excellent insights in tough times like we are going thru.
I would like to hear opinions from the youth. They are growing in an era of tremendous and fast change. The youth will outpour new way of thinking and express the struggle they deal with to maintain the basic principles of life.
Thank again and please keep it up.
Blessings,
Pat"
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I will, to the best of my limited ability and with the help of people like you and others. Thanks for your positive comments. I would also welcome suggestions for improving the service we provide.
Nic Samojluk
I received the following message from a personal friend in response to the material you can read by clicking at the following link: www.sdaforum.com/page41.html
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Hi Nic,
This is wonderful, thank you so much for writing and sharing it with me. Now I feel much better prepared to talk to ... about it. And also to give my talk tomorrow morning; your email is very timely and I appreciate the hard work you put into creating it for me. I’m going to use parts of this in my opening and then go into the background of Memorial Day and the development of it into a National Holiday. And finally, encourage our members to attend the Memorial services planned for our communities here and to remember their own loved ones who have passed from this earth.
Gene
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I just praise God that you exist, so to speak! I hope that someday soon you can retire from your present occupation, and dedicate much more time to this the most important issue ever. No other issue is more important than this one. I tend to believe that it is superior to bringing members into the Church, etc.
Hugo [Schmidt]
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Thanks for your compliment. I do recall several instances when my life could have ended, and I thank the Lord for preserving it for me. If I can do something with the little talent the heaven has granted me, I want to use it for his glory, and saving the unborn is a task for God's glory, I believe.
While the SDA church is busy trying to save those who were lucky to be born, I want to contribute my grain of sand for the saving of the unborn. This is why I started this forum. I am interested in all kinds of news, but doing something for the unborn fires me up more than any other thing that is taking place on earth.
I do this as my hobby, and I have invested over 10,000 hours so far [ad honorem, of course] in this forum since I started this back in 1974. Therefore, if you, the reader, have any comment, positive or negative, please share it with me!
Nic Samojluk
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Of course Nic, you are the best on this issue! I can only say: Praise God! However, Nic, it is my firm conviction and conclusion that with our President who is personally firmly committed to the protection of the unborn, by him telling the world that all is well in America which ends up, wanting or not, including this issue of the unborn, and it indirectly plays into the hands of the prochoicers in a subtle way especially so in a Nation under God as the USA ever claims to operate under.
You see, in essence, in one pulpit George W. ferociously says one thing and than on the next one he ends up erasing that with his elbow, as the saying goes. Besides, as to the death penalty the same goes. Bush wants the death penalty to remain almost with same vigor as removing the Roe v Wade. You will find that prochoicers are generally against the death penalty.
In a true sense, the USA, the Nation under God sends ever more horrible confusing messages. More ever like an Empire than the Nation that the Founding Fathers envisioned and invented. Yes, sadly adopting ever more tactics all despots ever used but ended up selfdestroying. The most horrific military killing machine, the USA now the spying Capital of the world, America now the Nation of Casinos even for the purpose of educating its youngsters in the unconstitutional public schools, etc., etc., etc. Yes, wine women and song and now wine man and song!
Women becoming more violent by the day! Of course the mass grave of 47+ million unborn and no end in sight, murdered by American mothers! Yes, women in government more generally for abortion etc. You will find that women conservatives in governmnet are generally not vocal at all against abortion. Name me a one?
There is no question that a Nation that has and constantly re-submits itself to God, this same God judges that nation under that high calling-standard.
Question: Do you think that the USA is on the mending road or ever deeper and deeper in immorality of all kinds? You did agree sometime that this nation is a murderous nation, etc., etc., etc. Do you see signs even in Adventism of a trend back to the sanctity of life from conception?
Hugo [Schmidt]
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Nobody is beyond repentance, forgiveness, and redemption. The Seventh-day Adventist Church did err half a century ago when it collaborated with Hitler while the genocite of the Jews was in full swing. Recently the German and Austrian SDA leadership of the church issued an apology for this. Today, our church is making the same mistake--this time regarding the genocide of the unborn. My hope is that our SDA brethren realize this and alter the course of the church on this issue now instead of apologizing half a century later for the mistakes of their predecessors.
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